The Untruth About Stefan Molyneux 1: “I don’t view humanity as a single species…”
Hi everyone it’s Stefan
Molyneux from Freedomain.
I hope you’re doing well – I hope you have a better week than I am!
So it’s time – it’s time to
push back against the nonsense that’s written out there on the Internet about
me because I don’t know if it’s just crazy political season or whatever, but
things are getting kind of hysterical, kind of aggressive – and kind of
dangerous at the moment, so yeah, I’m going to push back against this.
Here is a quote that is
ascribed to me – and yeah, it sounds pretty bad!
The quote is this:
“I don’t view humanity as a
The first thing you’ll
notice of the quote ends with a “…” – which means of course that it’s an
incomplete thought, and that’s your first clue that you may not be getting the
full picture of what I’m talking about.
Now for those who don’t
know, a “species” is a group of organisms with enough interrelated
characteristics that they can breed and have viable offspring, and of course,
that is all the races and ethnicities within humankind.
So, what am I talking about
Well, this is put forward as
some sort of racist statement, but where is it coming from?
The podcast number is 2768. It’s called, “Collective Guilt for Fun and Profit” and it was a Saturday call in show from August 9 2014 (boy that’s quite a long way back; you’d think that if I was such a bad guy, you wouldn’t have to go that far back, take a sentence fragment and then repeat it endlessly).
So, what is going on?
I’m going type out you the
segment which contains the quote, and you’re going see the actual facts behind
A young man called in (from
a band actually), and he wanted to talk about crime and punishment,
specifically the death penalty, and how prisons might work in a truly free
society such as a stateless society, a voluntary society – which has always
been my goal, but which still remains kind of a work in progress.
So, we were talking about
crime and punishment, and he starts to talk about a man that he’s heard of who
was I believe a pedophile, and discusses him in this way:
Freedomain Listener: “…he said in his conviction, he had said that he was happy that they were going to put him away for 35 years because he was an enthusiastic and dedicated predator – and I also heard a sex therapist talk about some guy who’s been working with specifically men for the past 35 years and he says the hardest thing to cure is the man who has already crossed the line – or the woman for that matter – who has already crossed the line into the sexual abuse of children or violence towards children…”
This is the context of our
discussion – how do you deal with (or how could society deal with) sexual
predators, child molesters, child rapists – really egregious, horrifying,
horrible criminals who are preying upon particularly the young and the innocent
– and of course, those who have committed egregious acts of violence against
Have you heard anything
about “race” at all yet? Is anything being talked about in terms of race?
We’re just talking about
predator/prey relationships in the human community.
In the podcast, I continue:
“Look, I’ve made this
argument for many years that the conscience short-circuits and is no longer
available for recovery when you have done an evil for which there is no
So if you if you ding
someone’s car and you pay to get the car fixed – you have kind of made your restitution.
But there are some things
for which there is no restitution, and that’s an important distinction. In some
ways you could say that the distinction between civil and criminal law, but
that’s the argument I am making.
I go on:
“…and there is no
restitution, there is no restitution possible for the rape of a child, or the
murder of a child.”
Freedomain Listener: “Right”
“Like there is no parent who
would say, ‘Well, okay, if you give me $10 million, you can murder my child.’
If somebody said, ‘Listen Stef, if I steal your bike, I’ll give you $10 million.’
Right, so basically you’re just buying my bike for an absurd amount of money
right? And – but for certain ills, there is no restitution that is possible – and
where restitution is impossible, forgiveness is impossible – and where
forgiveness is impossible, it seems to me that incarceration – the isolation of
the human virus from the community – is the right thing to do. I don’t – I
don’t view humanity as a single species…”
So – we’re talking about the
predator/prey relationship between violent, destructive, rapey murderous
criminals and the general population.
It’s important to note that
I don’t say: “humanity is not a single species” – because that would be
biologically and factually incorrect.
When I say I don’t view
humanity as a single species, I’m talking about in the realm of criminality,
victimhood, rape, assault, murder, and so on – where you have a predator/prey
relationship between the criminal and his victim or her victim.
So: I don’t view humanity as
a single species in therealm of criminality because there’s
predator and prey relationships!
Is this a massive insight?
Maybe, but it’s fairly
common: what do we call people who’ve committed egregious acts of sexual
violence? We call them sexual predators – and predators and prey are generally
not the same species, so it’s a way of looking at humanity as competing species
within the same ecosystem called society, where you have criminals and you have
Also, of course, the police say,
“We’re out there hunting a criminal, he’s a sexual predator,” and so on.
This is a biological analogy
for understanding criminality in context of human society.
I go on to say:
“…right? I don’t… I don’t view… It’s like saying dogs are single species – I mean, they kind of are, but not rabid dogs…”
So here I’m talking about
people who’ve gone crazy, people who gone completely evil, and have now turned
against the same species.
Of course rabid dogs are
biologically dogs – I’m not talking about mere biology; I’m talking about an allegory
of how we can view predator/prey relationships within human society.
The podcast continues, and I
“I mean there are dogs that
are sick and dangerous and all that kind of stuff – so I don’t view humanity as
a single species because we’re not all the same. There are human predators and
there are human victims and there are human heroes and there are human villains
– we are a whole ecosystem of ethics…”
OK, so a “whole ecosystem of
ethics” – of good and evil, light and dark and so on.
This is how society is
constituted at the moment – and this may forever be a problem that we wrestle
with in society.
The podcast continues, and I
“…and this is very well
supported by the science. This is not just me with some medieval ‘slice and
dice’ ethical approach…”
Believe it or not, that’s it.
When I say: “supported by
the science,” I’m talking about the fact that some people don’t really seem to
register empathy or sympathy. There are sadists who get great glee out of hurting
others – and the unreformability – particularly of pedophiles – appears to be fairly
constant in the literature.
So this is all scientific.
Have I said anything about
Of course not.
I’m talking about predators
and victims – and using an analogy of predator/prey relationships to describe
crime and punishment in human society, and that’s it.
There’s nothing about race
in this at all.
So you can see the motives
of the people who write this kind of stuff.
So please, please, I’m begging
you: share this kind of information, these are the facts.
These are my actual words. This is my actual voice.
Please share this please help keep me safe in this increasingly dangerous world.