Jun 04.

Stefan Molyneux

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Why There Are Riots Part 3 – Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain

On May 25, 2020, someone called 911 and reported that a man bought merchandise from Cup Foods at 3759 Chicago Avenue in Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota with a counterfeit $20 bill. At 8:08p.m., Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) Officers Thomas Lane and J.A. Kueng arrived with their body worn cameras (BWCs) activated and running. The officers learned from store personnel that the man who passed the counterfeit $20 was parked in a car around the corner from the store on 38th Street.

BWC video obtained by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension shows that the officers approached the car, Lane on the driver’s side and Kueng on the passenger side. Three people were in the car; George Floyd was in the driver’s seat, a known adult male was in the passenger seat and a known adult female was sitting in the backseat.  As Officer Lane began speaking with Mr. Floyd, he pulled his gun out and pointed it at Mr. Floyd’s open window and directed Mr. Floyd to show his hands.  When Mr. Floyd put his hands on the steering wheel, Lane put his gun back in its holster.

While Officer Kueng was speaking with the front seat passenger, Officer Lane ordered Mr. Floyd out of the car, put his hands on Mr. Floyd, and pulled him out of the car. Officer Lane handcuffed Mr. Floyd.

Once handcuffed, Mr. Floyd walked with Officer Lane to the sidewalk and sat on the ground at Officer Lane’s direction. When Mr. Floyd sat down he said “thank you man” and was calm.  In a conversation that lasted just under two minutes, Officer Lang asked Mr. Floyd for his name and identification. Officer Lane asked Mr. Floyd if he was “on anything” and noted there was foam at the edges of his mouth.  Officer Lane explained that he was arresting Mr. Lloyd for passing counterfeit currency.

At 8:14 p.m., Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car.  As the officers tried to put Mr. Floyd in their squad car, Mr. Floyd stiffened up and fell to the ground.  Mr. Floyd told the officers that he was not resisting but he did not want to get in the back seat and was claustrophobic.

MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thao then arrived in a separate squad car.

The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of their squad car by pushing him from the driver’s side.  As the officers were trying to force Mr. Floyd in the backseat, Mr. Floyd repeatedly said that he could not breathe.  Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily sit in the backseat and the officers physically struggled to try to get him in the backseat.

The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. At one point, Mr. Floyd said “I’m about to die.”  The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

One of the officers said,”You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said,” I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” The defendant and Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s right hand up.  None of the three officers moved from their positions.

While Mr. Floyd showed slight movements, his movements and sounds decreased until at 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.


FROM A DOCTOR:
Stef
The next time some leftist moron brings up George Floyd’s cries of “I cant breathe” and claimed death due to asphyxiation, please understand this point of human physiology straight from a physician.
If someone is choking or being choked, they are generally unable to move air effectively thru their trachea and hence thru their larynx giving them no ability to speak. Therefore, someone who is truly being choked to death will be silent or making gasping intelligible sounds and NOT speaking in full sentences saying I can’t breathe.
If you truly can’t breathe, you cannot speak.
Furthermore, symptoms of coronary ischemia and a heart attack causes chest pain and shortness of breath. So does congestive heart failure.
Patients suffering from congestive heart failure or with uncontrolled heart disease are often unable to exert themselves even to walk up a flight of stairs without being severely short of breath.
Add in drug abuse with fentanyl and methamphetamine and a history of likely long term hypertension which genetically is widespread in African Americans, plus a history of cocaine abuse, and it is no wonder he was short of breath.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-911-transcript-minneapolis-police/

https://www.health.state.mn.us/people/vitalrecords/physician-me/docs/capcodbook.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus

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  • What I struggle with is why Derek Chauvin was restraining George Floyd for the last 2 minutes after Kueng couldn’t find a pulse. I get that one can pretend to not breathe for a minute or two but if they couldn’t find a pulse why would they continue with the restraint? Didn’t Derek Chauvin trust Kueng’s ability to find a pulse? Wouldn’t he try himself? Or was it because he didn’t know what to do or didn’t care? This puzzles me.

    Andrej / 4:18 pm /
  • Stefan, what does your doctor source have to say about the following statements by a police officer on Reddit?

    The Pernicious Myth Of “If You Can Speak You Can Breathe” by 17th_knight
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/2odvre/the_pernicious_myth_of_if_you_can_speak_you_can/?sort=new

    “This is a phrase I heard Peter King say in the wake of Eric Garner’s death and I feel it’s something that everyone in our profession needs to be aware of. The myth of “If you can speak you can breathe”.

    I know I have heard it said twice by officers I work with, whom I both corrected. One of them actually argued with me about it until I was able to get Fire and Rescue to tell them they are wrong. The LAPD killed a man because they ignored his pleas and told him that if he could speak he could breathe. THIS IS FALSE!!!!!!!!! And clearly officers nationwide are not being properly trained to know that it is false. Knowing that this myth persists, and knowing I have heard actual officers repeat it in my presence, I felt it needed to be addressed.

    Hearing that phrase come out of someone’s mouth always upsets me, because it can easily lead to a preventable death.So let’s explore why this is false, because anyone who comes up against a situation like this needs to realize that You CAN speak if you cannot breathe!!

    This is true for multiple reasons, so let’s explore them:

    The lungs have what are called “Volumes” and “Capacities”. The link describes all of them. For our purposes, you need to understand these two phrases: Functional Reserve Capacity (the amount of air left in the lungs after a normal exhalation) and Expiratory Reserve Volume (the amount of air you can still force out of your lungs after a normal exhalation).
    When you take a normal breath you breathe in and out you are breathing about 500ml of air. After breathing out, you are left with ~2400ml of air inside your lungs, this is the Functional Reserve Capacity. If you try to force out as much air as possible, you can still force out ~1200ml more air. This is the Expiratory Reserve Volume. This is air you are able to speak with even if you cannot take a normal breath. Important Note: Notice that the Expiratory Reserve Volume is more than twice the size of a normal breath. That is a lot of air you are able to force out, and a lot of speaking you can do even if you can’t breathe.
    The lungs work on negative pressure. So, your lungs, when you breathe in, are at a lower pressure than the outside air. This draws the air into them. This is caused by your diaphragm and intercostal muscles. Your lungs are very elastic, and will move back to their normal size during exhalation. This is where the problem begins for officers. If you are kneeling on a suspect, or you have them handcuffed on the ground so that they are on their chest, there is a strong possibility that you can cut off their ability to breathe. Once the lungs begin to exhale, they collapse, but if you they are being pressed down on by body weight, they may not be able to re-expand. They then continue to collapse, forcing out the Functional Reserve Capacity of air, but not drawing in a new breath. So, your suspect may be pleading for breath, they may actually be incapable of drawing one in, and the reason is you. If someone is saying they cannot breathe, you need to believe them, because you might be killing them. Furthermore, during any kind of physical altercation, that person may be breathing deeply and rapidly, making their lungs collapse faster when you are kneeling on them or holding them on the ground.
    Asthma. Some of you may be saying “Well, the guy who died in LAPD’s care had asthma, that wasn’t the officer’s fault or the jail’s fault.” Oh yes it was. If someone is telling you they have asthma and they can’t breathe, you need to believe them. Asthma is a constriction of the airways, no different than being strangled. They will still be able to speak and they will still be dying slowly. It took 30 minutes for that man to die, and that was entirely preventable.
    Demonstrations:

    First Demonstration: Take a normal breath in and then a normal breath out. Then, after exhaling, force out as much air as you possibly can. Even after doing this, you will find you are able to speak. I am able to speak for about 5 – 10 seconds afterwards, in short, wheezing, gaspy words, but I can speak. If you don’t inhale at this point, you will begin to suffocate, but you will still be capable of speech even as you are dying. IMPORTANT EDIT: And that’s not to say a person will only be able to speak for a few seconds, they could speak for minutes while being unable to draw a breath in. Keep in mind, you are purposely forcing out the Expiratory Reserve Volume during this demonstration, but a suspect/inmate might not be. They may be on the ground, unable to breathe in, but entirely capable of speech for minutes as they slowly die.

    Second Demonstration:It is much easier to force air out than it is to draw air in. To demonstrate, take a normal breath (not deep) in and out. After you exhale, pinch your nose shut with one hand and hold your other hand very tightly over your mouth. When you breathe in you will either be unable to breathe in or you will only breathe in a sliver of air. But if you force the air out, you will note that it is able to come out past your hand, it will cause your hand and fingers to vibrate, and there is still a good chunk of air in your lungs despite you having exhaled. Now, imagine your fingers and hand are your Larynx (voice box). That’s how speech is still possible in a situation where someone is being suffocated.

    Final Thoughts

    So why are you suffocating if so much air is still in your lungs? Part of the problem is that the air left over in the lungs after exhalation is not oxygenated, so your lungs are full of CO2 gas. This air is useless to your blood, so even though your bronchioles are full of air, you are still suffocating to death.

    Obesity: Not Everyone Has The Same Lung Capacity: There are factors that can make a person have a smaller lung capacity than someone else. These factors include:
    1. Being obese
    2. Being a female
    3. Living at low altitudes
    4. Being a smoker
    While the third and fourth are probably not terribly important for our purposes, the first two certainly are. This is important because not only does an obese person have smaller lung capacity, they also can have their lungs fail to expand due to their own body weight if they are lying on the ground facedown. An obese person is at extreme risk of suffocation in any instance where their airways are being blocked or where they are cuffed and on the ground. Don’t fuck around if they say they can’t breathe, they’re probably not lying.

    Personal Experience – I have personally been in this situation before. After I had the person handcuffed and on the ground for about 20 seconds, they began to wheeze. This is an immediate symptom of them not being able to breathe. I asked if he was having trouble breathing. I let him stand up, get some breaths, and then sit down. If I had simply knelt on his back during this time, I could have killed him. Instead, I eased off, stood him up to get him some air, and all was well.”

    Howard / 4:18 pm /
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